Bathroom Issues

June 12, 2013 in Uncategorized

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So here we go

I knew this post was coming

I just didn’t know when

But I’m gonna say it

I’m just gonna put it out there and say it

Obesity brings bathroom issues

Yes it does

So let’s just call it what it is

A LITERAL pain in the ass!!

Sorry…but I had to say it

I see no way around it

If there was ever something that is a giant pain in the *ss

It’s the numerous bathroom issues obesity brings to your life

So let’s take a stroll down memory lane

A day in the life of my 417 pound self in the bathroom

 

We’ll start with the size of toilets

NEVER BIG ENOUGH

I just finally replaced my hall toilet

It was cracked

Like all toilets I would sit on

I have broken so many toilet seats, I lost count

Not that I was counting

I literally used to carry new toilet seats around in my trunk

Just to have on hand

In case I broke a friend’s toilet seat

Because I did

ALL THE TIME

It got to the point where I would hold it as long as I could

Just to avoid ever having to use anyone else’s toilet

Because I WOULD crack it….99% of the time

I remember wishing at one point if I could just buy them cracked

Just sell it to me that way, OK????

Because why bother????

I would try and hold it in if I could

But ask an obese person to hold in their pee

GOOD LUCK

You know how pregnant women always have to pee

Because the baby is pushing on their bladder?

Yeah…I know all about that because I have had 4 kids

People have a lot of sympathy for pregnant women who pee on themselves

Or have to race to the bathroom and go multiple times

But that ends after 9 months

You know what doesn’t end after 9 months???

OBESITY

Nope…that goes on forever

And the weight pushes on your bladder and next thing you know

You need Depends adult diapers

Only you can’t wear them because they don’t make them in your size

So you go around leaking pee

Or maybe that is just me

You need to “race” to the bathroom???

Try racing ANYWHERE at 417 pounds

Not gonna happen

I can’t tell you how many times I peed on myself at over 400 pounds

It was literally a normal occurence for me

I used to say I had a weak bladder or I was getting old

But now that I weigh 182 pounds….I don’t have that problem

I don’t have a weak bladder and 41 isn’t THAT old

What I had was a weight problem

And it brought me more issues than I ever could have imagined would come my way

 

So back to toilet seats

Because what we need is more problems

So first you try to fit on the toilet seat

And it slides off to the right

So you push it back in the center

And you slide off to the left

You put your right butt cheek in…..

You put your right butt cheek out….

You put your right butt cheek in and you shake it all about….

You crack the toilet seat

And it finally splits in two

That’s what it’s all about….WHOOP! WHOOP!!

It’s the Hokey Pokey Bathroom game

ALWAYS FUN!!!!!!

SO MUCH FUN!

 

So back to my friends house

And the last toilet seat I ever cracked

Because after that it was just too much

I mean I was breaking their chairs

Breaking their toilet seats

And I felt the need to replace them

Because it was just so embarrasing

So out I went to the trunk of my car

Popped it open

Like one of those salesman you see downtown

Selling watches out of their trunk

Only mine is full of toilet seats to replace whoever’s toilet seat I just broke

I should have had a display

Toilet seats anyone….

Just take your pick!!

Come one….come all!

 

But I did more than that in my hall bathroom at home

I literally cracked the entire back of the toilet itself

We sealed it up the best we could

I mean you can’t go around buying new TOILETS

Toilet seats aren’t too expensive

But the toilet itself???? UGH

At one point I finally bought an industrial strength toilet seat

INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH

It was called Big John Toilet Seats and they work great

These toilet seats don’t play

They can handle up to 1200 pounds

Did I mention that most toilet seats twist when I would sit on them

Breaking the hinges

Not Big John! ¬†They’re on that task!

Of course there are some drawbacks

The seat is elevated

And if you’re short like me then this means you’re like a little kid with your feet hanging in the air

And the seat presses in on your legs because of that

Which hurts

But who cares about that right?

Because everything hurts anyway

You’ve already got scars from where seats rip into you and draw blood

Because the sides are too tight

Or the toilet seat pinched you

So what’s a little time spent being uncomfortable

Isn’t everyday life already about that?

As toilet seats go, Big John is the best I found

In case anyone needs to know

Ordered mine off Amazon

It was oversized which was desperately needed

Because as I previously said before

Sometimes you’re not in the mood to play the Hokey Pokey game

Of trying to decide which half of your butt gets the pleasure

Of using the seat

Because the other half is hanging off

And let’s not even talk about where they put the toilet seat in a bathroom

Or where they place the toilet paper roll

I COULD SCREAM !!!!

This was my absolute nightmare for YEARS

You have a room but you jam the toilet seat right next to the wall

Have you ever noticed that??

At least my master bedroom bathroom is that way

Jammed up by the wall

But I have more butt than can fit!

I got too much junk in the trunk and now it’s jammed up in the wall

Please give me some room!!!

Have mercy on me and my butt…PUHLEEEEEZE

Anyone out there designing a house??

Just give us a foot please between the toilet and the wall

I BEG OF YOU

And don’t put the toilet paper roll right next to where your leg goes

Because now it doesn’t bother me

Now it’s no big deal

But at over 400 pounds

The toilet paper roll was literally digging into my leg

I thought a few times I would have to have it surgically removed from my thigh

The way it dug into me

Because when you’re going to the bathroom what you really want

Is to have a toilet paper roll jamming you

A toilet seat cracking and sliding

A wall shoving all your fat back to the other side

And meanwhile

YOU WERE JUST TRYING TO PEE!!!!!!!!!!

OR WERE YOU??

 

Oh no….

Here it comes….

You knew it would happen

And I’m a Mom of 4 kids

So I can say it

………

………

……..

POOP !!!!

Yep—I said it

And as a Mom I’ve dealt with enough poop that I’m going to tell it like it is

Try weighing 417 pounds and having to poop

Too much information??

Well I’m letting you know

Wiping your butt at 417 pounds is not for the faint of heart

It’s a J-O-B for real

 

What’s your strategy for handling this??

I’ll tell you mine

When you have a baby, they give you what is called

A Perineal bottle

It’s because after you have a baby, you have to clean yourself

But you’ve got limited mobility,right??

Because you just had a baby!!

It’s hard to move around without being in pain

It’s tough to wipe yourself

So you fill the bottle with water

And squirt it back there between your legs

And that’s how you handle it

Come on Mama’s….you know what I’m talking about

Don’t act like you don’t!!

Well I found those to be really helpful

You can buy better ones with a curved handle

You can buy “bariatric” ones that are longer

They’re called Bidet in a bottle

If you need one….check it out

I used one for years

But I also had another strategy that worked

Once I lost enough weight that I could handle being on my feet

I’d walk over to the sink and swing my leg up on the counter

Then I could reach whatever I needed

I did this for a looooong time

Just swinging my leg up and taking care of business

I did this for so long that I kept doing it after I didn’t need to anymore

As in just the other day

It occurred to me that I’m a size 14 and I can do this the good old fashioned way

It occurred to me at the same moment that the toilet roll doesn’t cut into me anymore either

WHAT A WONDERFUL LIFE!!!!

 

You think bathroom issues stop there?

HA!

Maybe you never heard about the time

I got stuck in the tub

Whole different story

But the shower is just as nightmarish

Because you have to stand up for so darn long

To get it all accomplished

I’d be sweating by the time I got done in the shower

Because it took too much strength for me to lift my arms

And wash my own hair

That’s when I got a shower chair

It was my Nana’s idea

She had one because she had the same problem

Not with her weight….but with her strength

She and I had the exact same issue

So I got a shower chair

And if you need one…then you should go ahead and get one

Because life has to be managed when you’re large

It has to be managed like a disease or a disability

So do what you gotta do!!

Splurge and get the chair I did

It was a swivel stool that went up to 400 pounds

That was pushing it for me but it never broke

The reason I got the swivel chair was because it made it easier

For my daughter to help me shower and wash my hair

Yep—my 17 year old daughter is a saint

All my kids are really

But she mostly took care of the job

Some days I just couldn’t handle it

So she’d swivel me around and wash my back

Swivel me back and wash my hair

You probably think she’s traumatized

But she’s not

My daughter graduated high school early

And is starting college at 17

You know what she wants to study?

NURSING

Are we really surprised?!

 

God blessed me with a daughter

That has a heart for those with disabilities

Compassion for those struggling with obesity

And I could cry because of how she blessed me all these years

I take baths now

Hop in and out without the aid of the fire department

I wash my hair and lift my arms over my head with no issues

I don’t need a shower chair

I don’t need a peri bottle to wipe my butt

I don’t have toilet paper rolls digging into me

I live what many would call a “normal” life

But it’s not “normal” to me

It’s a FANTASY

Every day of my life is a fantasy come true

 

You go to the bathroom every day

Especially if you drink water

And when you start trying to be healthy

And drinking water

It’s a double edged sword

Because the bathroom becomes a more frequent place

And at first

THAT SUCKS

But as time goes on

You’ll start to fit in the bathroom

And it won’t be a living hell anymore

 

I’m pretty sure a lot of people out there

Had no interest in hearing THIS post

But it had to be said

Because now I don’t have these issues

But I used to

And many people do

People should know the bathroom is a living hell

For the obese

It just is

It’s one more thing we have to fight

To live with

To manage

Life is hard when you’re obese

So when you see someone large

Just be nice to them

Just smile

Open the door

Maybe compliment them on their shirt

Their shoes

ANYTHING

Reach something off the top shelf

And hand it to them in their motorized cart

Because their life is hard enough

TRUST ME

It just is

So when we have an opportunity to smile at them

Let’s do it

Because I may look like this now

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But the truth is

When you see a 400 plus pound person in the store

The person you’re smiling at

IS ME

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And on behalf of every obese person out there that you’ve ever smiled at

Or helped

I thank you

 

 

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Natalie June 12, 2013 at 11:31 am

I really want to thank you for this post. I was just feeling stressed out about a work issue. Nothing serious, really, nothing that is going to affect my life long term, just that I hate conflict so I was having trouble coping with this short term problem. And you just reminded me that my little problem is nothing. I can actually feel my heart rate slowing down, my stress levels reducing.

There are people out there with all kinds of disabilities that make daily life so hard. Sometimes they can take action and do something about it (like you did with some very hard work) but quite often they don’t even have that option. I am so lucky that my big problem — that I was just complaining to my husband would keep me awake — was merely a difficult client who would go away very soon. Sometimes I need reminding how lucky I am.

I’m so glad that you have a “normal” life now and don’t have all these problems anymore.
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Anele @ Success Along the Weigh June 12, 2013 at 11:37 am

God bless ya girl for sharing all of that. I am mystified how I was almost 80 lbs heavier than you at your largest and didn’t have the cracking and wee issues. You have been through MORE than your share of weight related irritants and I’m so glad you don’t have to deal with that anymore. Now the poo issue…Cirque De Soleil man. Contortionist du jour.

No surprise your daughter is going into nursing and she sounds like one of the good ones. The kind I’d want if I ever ended up in the hospital.
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Trish @I_am_Succeeding June 12, 2013 at 12:02 pm

Oh wow! You are a brave brave woman! Seriously. AND saying that I totally get it and have been there!

Those are a few of the NSV’s I keep to myself though ;)

As said you are BRAVE and I applaud you for it.
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Lady Amanda June 12, 2013 at 12:31 pm

AWEsome post! One of your best! Absolutely love how you ended the post! You are awesome for sharing this with everyone. :-)

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Marc June 12, 2013 at 1:08 pm

I’ve done the same thing to toilet seats at less than 300 pounds. Maybe it was because I purchased them at K-mapart (K-mart:)
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Valerie June 12, 2013 at 1:20 pm

Oh, Holly. ::TEARS:: How do you do it? Manage to be so honest and raw and awesome? It sounds like your children are just like you. Savannah is a champion, and I have no doubt she will make a terrific nurse.

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annamarie June 12, 2013 at 1:40 pm

It is posts like this that confirms that I am not alone.

Thank You.
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Fran June 12, 2013 at 2:14 pm

Thanks for this post. I could relate to some of the things you’ve been through. One thing I have trouble with is I can’t wear tampons because my stomach is too big I can’t reach as far as I need to.

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Holly from 300 Pounds Down June 12, 2013 at 2:17 pm

Oh I should have talked about that too! I am glad you mentioned it. I literally just started using tampons again last month. It didn’t occur to me I could do it until recently and I have to say it is AWESOME. You will get there! Never thought I’d be ecstatic about a tampon LOL but yes I am!

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Heather C. June 12, 2013 at 2:36 pm

My heaviest was about 215, and I ‘thought’ I knew what being heavy was. After reading your post, I am clearly clueless. Thank you for sharing your most intimate thoughts and experiences in this blog. I have struggled with my weight for most of my life, but this gives me new perspective and admiration for those much heavier than I have ever been. Oh~ and when I read the title of the post, I thought you were going to blog about hemorroids! I’d imagine with all the weight & pressure, that would be an issue too. Your courage never ceases to amaze me!

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Holly from 300 Pounds Down June 12, 2013 at 10:59 pm

ooo hemmorhoids!! There’s a blog post!! Hahaha Thanks Heather!!

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Pam June 12, 2013 at 3:08 pm

Yep–I too loved this post. I could have written it, in fact I wrote a similar one a while back–because you and I know from experience that the morbidly obese have severe problems in the bathroom area. And you didn’t mention the near constant diarrhea because of all the calories ingested. YES—it is MESSY! I used to think, as I was struggling to clean myself, “When I get my life straightened out….” Meaning when I quit eating so darned much….I don’t know what I thought wold happen, but I was hopeful the bathroom problems would not be so bad. And they have disappeared! I also identify with needing Depends. I was wearing adult diapers, and was brave enough, although horribly embarrassed, to ask my son to pick up a case of them for me at Sam’s, because he had a membership and I did not. Once he got me the wrong kind, they were actual diapers, without the elasticized waist. I never even told him, cause it was just too humiliating.

Life is so much better in so many ways when you are not morbidly obese. I was thinking that as I walked down my road this morning. That’s why I’m hanging on to this maintenance for dear life. I want to tell everybody how great life is when you’re just a normal size. My son (the one who bought me diapers at Sam’s) is morbidly obese. While I was losing weight, he did too, going from just over 500 pounds to just under 400 pounds. But then he quit. He is only 35, and I fear for his life, because I think he has regained. I don’t ask him about it, because I know me bugging him about his weight is NOT what he needs, in order for him to do something about his problem. I read this morning that within 10 years, over 50% of the population will be obese, not just overweight, but OBESE. It’s an epidemic, and it’s hard to figure out the answer to this problem. I guess my solution is: 1) knowing it’s all in my power to make the right choices, and, 2) I never never never want to go back to where I was for so many years.

P.S. You look amazing, and I think your daughter is wonderful. Whenever I’m in the hospital or at the doctor’s office, I am always in admiration of the wonderful nurses who do 99% of the care giving. They are a special breed, and I think your daughter will be a great addition to Nursing! If nothing else, her helping you when you were obese, didn’t teach her to be caring, because that was already INSIDE of her, but it did show her that is what she was meant to do.
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Holly from 300 Pounds Down June 12, 2013 at 10:55 pm

Thanks Pam for your input. I appreciate so much whenever you leave comments b/c it helps people to see that you can make it to maintenance. YOu are a true success story and I am so excited to know you!!!!

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sunnydayz June 12, 2013 at 3:54 pm

I agree, God bless you for sharing this. I know it will help so many others just knowing that there is someone out there who can relate. Then they’ll realize that if you did it that they can too.
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Holly from 300 Pounds Down June 12, 2013 at 10:54 pm

Thanks so much!

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Angela June 12, 2013 at 5:57 pm

Thank you for the post. While I never cracked a toilet seat I certainly have experienced the slide to the right and slide to the left! Ha! I just never thought other people had the same experience! It’s nice to know I’m not alone!

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Holly from 300 Pounds Down June 12, 2013 at 10:54 pm

YEs it is nice to know we aren’t alone in this!!

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Faith June 12, 2013 at 6:07 pm

As I read this post, my eyes just got wider and wider. Not out of disgust or shock but because I literally had no clue what someone who is morbidly obese has to deal with on things someone at a much lower weight takes for granted. I also didn’t expect to finish the post with tears in my eyes but I did. My eyes welled up reading about what a compassionate daughter you have raised (she’s just like you Holly and the world needs more of you and her).
For real..I literally just read a very cruel blog post on another forum that bashes the obese in a most unhelpful way and then I swing over to your blog and read this. Bless you, you sweet woman..you’re an inspiration.

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Holly from 300 Pounds Down June 12, 2013 at 10:54 pm

Thank you Faith!!! I appreciate your encouragement so much and look forward to whenever you leave me comments. I’m always so grateful for how kind you are to me!

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Tina June 12, 2013 at 7:31 pm

Great (and courageous!) post, Holly!
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Holly from 300 Pounds Down June 12, 2013 at 10:53 pm

Thanks Tina!

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Paula June 12, 2013 at 7:33 pm

You are awesome.. the way you are vulnerable and honest… yes, I have had many of those same experiences… Thank you for being the advocate you are.

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Holly from 300 Pounds Down June 12, 2013 at 10:53 pm

Thank you so much Paula!

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Joy June 13, 2013 at 3:46 am

I have read every single post you have written. I knew it was super hard for you when you were at your heaviest. But reading this post makes me see the whole picture. Congrats on all the things you are able to do now. At my heaviest 274. I didn’t have the bathroom issue but I did have the awful chafing issue. I worked at a waitress and my thighs would burn by then end of the night!! I still have scares from it. I would go through pants so fast because of the rubbing together! I still have have about 60 pounds to lose but I happy I don’t have that problem anymore.
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tucking_fwit June 13, 2013 at 12:34 pm

You are so humourous (yes I spell the English way) and well as refreshingly honest. You can also write and this is coming from a Middle East correspondent for an international news agency and a national TV network. Have you considered taking your writing career further?

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Holly from 300 Pounds Down June 13, 2013 at 1:32 pm

Wow thanks!! I wouldn’t know where to take it! LOL…Hook me up!! ;) Not sure the world is ready for the level of information provided in this post though hahahaa

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tucking_fwit June 13, 2013 at 3:39 pm

Well for starters I think you should consider submitting articles about your experiences and weight loss to magazines and newspapers, especially magazines aimed at weight loss issues. Your tough and inspirational journey, the highs and lows, your faith, humour and forthrightness, would make interesting reading.

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tucking_fwit June 13, 2013 at 12:35 pm

*as not *and

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Faith June 13, 2013 at 5:39 pm

I agree with tucking_fwit! You’ve got a gift and I think you should share it with the world. :-)

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Nancy June 14, 2013 at 1:55 am

Holly, you are so wonderful!! Your honesty and sharing it like it is (or in this case was) is so helpful!! I really thought I was the only one that dealt with many of these issues in the past. It’s ridiculous that I thought that way, because obviously people that are morbidly obese would probably share many of these same struggles. But I thought it was all so disgusting, that I was so disgusting, and I was convinced that I was the only one that was so far gone that I had to deal with these things.

Reading your blog today really helped me to remember how far I’ve come. I remember all of the struggles I had with wiping myself after going poop (okay, I’m a Mom, so I can say it too!). And that was after the struggle just to get up off the toilet seat. I never felt like I could keep myself totally clean. And trying to wash my private parts in the shower – I never felt like I could be sure I got myself totally clean then either.

After having had gastric sleeve surgery and losing a total of 143 pounds so far, I’m amazed at how easy it is to get up off of the toilet. And that’s even after having had a partial knee replacement because of torn cartilage in one knee and all of the damage I did to both of my knees by being so huge.

I realized yesterday in the shower, that I am really confident that I am getting my whole body clean when I shower. Seems like no big deal, but it’s huge!! Thanks for reminding me not to take these big changes for granted. And thanks for the regular hope and inspiration you give me and all of us who read your blog! You are amazing!!!

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Kat June 14, 2013 at 11:51 am

I love your posts!

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Brian October 3, 2013 at 6:07 am

Thanks for this page, it has been a great help, I am 6’2 and somewhere around 450 to 500 pounds with a bad heart and legs due to a motorcycle accident many years ago, I have dealt with pretty much everything you wrote and then some, I can barely walk.

I now have a 7 year old daughter who I love to death, but constantly feel I am in a way abusing because I can’t do anything fun with her.

I am constantly close to giving up, and often wish I could just “move on” if you know what I mean, as I feel like I am a huge burden to my family. But your story has given me some new hope, I am where you were, and wish to be where you are now, knowing it can be done may seem like a little thing, but to me it has helped, at least for today.

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Nick Chou March 23, 2014 at 2:30 am

Special thanks for your perfect post. People who are going to be a burden of a family will get hope to alive.
Really It is helpful to us. I always remember the theme of the post
Thanks again.

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Adelissa March 30, 2014 at 6:01 am

I just reached my heaviest at 320 (5 foot 6) and I am starting to experience some of these, as well as furniture in general doesn’t last long at all. (the whole family is obese.) Our 2 year old couch is on it’s last leg, had a mattress for 3 years and going to have to replace it soon. All the toilet seats are halfway off their hinges. I am so scared it is going to get worse. I have hashimotos thyroiditis, which contributed to the last 50 pounds but I have been between 230 and 270 my whole adult life. I am thankful I never had to have help taking care of myself and you are so fortunate to have a daughter who loves you so much. I am trying to get bariatric surgery but there are so many hoops to jump through. I pray this nightmare will end one day and I can find the strength to feel normal again. It’s funny, in high school I wanted to be a 6, in college I wanted to be a 10-12. I would be estatic now to be a 16-18. I don’t care what I look like anymore, I only care about how I feel. Depression makes it all worse as well. Sorry to be a downer, but thanks for letting me know first of all I’m not alone and second of all as bad as it seems it can get so much worse if I don’t do something. I pray you are successful in keeping it off and living your fantasy life!

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Debi May 26, 2014 at 11:26 pm

THANK YOU sooooo very much for writing this post. I applaud you for being soooo honest. I am in this same situation, especially in the bathtub. In fact, just last night I had to call 911 and have the EMTs come and help lift me out of the tub because I have injured my right knee and don’t have the strength to lift myself up to get out. How embarrassing since I used to be an EMT myself. Tonight, I have been looking online about bathtub lifts to help me even when the knee is healed (positive thinking). My biggest question is I am 402 as we speak but how did I do this when I was 446 lbs in 2010? I guess the injury is the key. Oh – I have also gone through my share of toilet seats, twisting them off at the hinges. I will have to look closer but do you have a blog that is more than this story? I would LOVE to learn how you lost the weight. God bless you girlfriend and once again, THANK YOU for your honesty.

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JJ August 11, 2014 at 8:19 pm

Thank you somuch for sheddding light on what I thought was being totally inconsiderate of my husband. He has a raised toilet seat, however, it stinks. Poop and pee somehow get under it and in places on the floor. I did not really realize all the issues a 315 pound man would have just going to the bathroom. One of our toilets feel like a rocking chair as he is unable to sit, he goes down part way and falls the other. That I am not sure how I can fix, but I am interested in the “Big John” . I will see if I can find information . The bottle which squirts ater was aso helpful. I did not have to use one after birth, but it is worth ivestigating. My fat weight is 147 and I plan to lose 20lbs within a year. Not so easy for hubby as he was hit by a drunk driver whild directing traffic abd has been on disability for over 20 years. Things are impossible for him to do. He has many health issues now Catch 22, he is unable to exercise or we have been unable to find the right doctors to enable him to lose weight. I could go on, but I just wanted to extend my appreciation as it helped me to understand more about a man with whom I am living . I am a senior and thought this time would be our traveling time,, however it has turned out to be something quite different. AT least you would go out. He will not travel to anyone’s home. Steps and bathroom issues are his major concerns. Thanks you so much for your honesty. It really helped.

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JJ August 11, 2014 at 8:21 pm

I forgot to ask, what type of shoes did you wear?

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marilyn October 4, 2014 at 2:42 am

I gained a lot of weight, current wt. is 340 lbs, and had to do a lot of exprimenting before I arrived at a solution.

I. I tried those extensions to hold toilet paper, but they did not work well.
2. I installed a bidet on my toilet, and it helped, but still have to wipe.
3. Walmart has adult wipes (Walmart’s Assurance Brand) that are much longer than baby wipes, but similar. If you take one, stretch it out, bend over, with your wipe in one hand, reach around your leg and take the opposite end into your other hand. you can wipe from back to front. Pull straight up, and then forward. Repeat this process until cloth comes out clean. This not ideal, especially for women, but consider the alternative. Just be sure to clean thoroughly around the vaginal opening to remove any poop that has been brought forward. One word of caution, wiping too hard and too often can cause irritation and possibly bleeding, That is where a quick rinse with a bidet can help immensely.

If that length wipe dosen’t work for you, you might want to invest in a stack of cloth diapers and clorox, and wipe the same way and wash them in clorox. Hope this helps.

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Holly from 300 Pounds Down October 4, 2014 at 1:43 pm

These are all good ideas Marilyn. These are real life issues that people have to deal with!! Thanks for the suggestions.

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